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Poll: Was Obama Correct to Stop Deporting Some Illegal Immigrants?

Surprise announcement by Homeland Security will allow some residents to stay in the United States if they came here as children.

 

In a move expected to affect up to 800,000 people, President Barack Obama announced Friday a plan to allow some young illegal immigrants the ability to apply for temporary legal status and work permits.

The move would stop deportations for undocumented people under certain conditions. To be eligible - they must have come to the United States under the age of 16 and lived in the US for at least five years. They must be in school, have graduated from high school, or have been honorably discharged from the US military. In addition, those applying must not have been convicted of any felony or significant misdemeanors.

The move raised the ire of many immediately - including one reporter who heckled the president during the speech. But Obama said of the illegal immigrants,  "They are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one -- on paper." The president said the move is not "amnesty" and encouraged Congress to pass a broader immigration bill.

Some see the move as a political one designed to mollify Latino voters in the upcoming presidential election.

What do you think of the president's actions?

  • Should Certain Illegal Immigrants Be Allowed To Stay Under Obama's Plan?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • No, they came here illegally and should be deported.
        815 (41%)
    • Yes, they came here as kids and deserve a chance to stay.
        583 (29%)
    • It's not fair to people who have immigrated here legally.
        370 (18%)
    • It's going to allow people to take jobs from Americans.
        92 (4%)
    • Let's see how it works out before everyone gets riled up about it.
        94 (4%)
    Total votes: 1954
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Barack Obama and Immigration Policy

Laura Potwora

10:47 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Why doesn't the government put this on the ballot in Nov. See what the American public has to say.

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Anthony Fannelli

1:45 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

NEVER OBAMA does this because he needs votes.
THIS IS JUST TO GET THE SPANISH VOTE he does not care about anyone except the Blacks, Spanish and Ulta rich celebrities ...Plus we have the highest unemployment but he will add these to the unemployment rolls so add another 800000 unemployed illegals now what is our %.

What is it that people do not understand there is a path to citizenship in USA... noboday cares about the people who came here legally and are working toward citizenship.The illegals get free healthcare, free high school and college education and not can work WOW great country America...and the taxpayers pay and pay and pay.

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Anthony Fannelli

8:36 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Do we really need his picture and his wife and kids to wish him happy Fathers Day HE IS NOT OUR FATHER....OMG so arogant.

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marc s

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

For all who voted against this please tell me who is cutting your loan, who is fixing your roof ? Take out your mower and get your hammer

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Mom Tlm

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Good idea Laura, and put it on the ballot before he gets them all legalized as VOTERS so that the TRUE citizens do the voting!! That's going to be the next event, they will all be registered voters and more people to pay for out of our taxes in Obamacare. . Where are we heading!

Rich Fortunato

10:47 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

There ought to be another choice in the poll, such as "It's not a bad idea to establish rules for people brought here illegally as children to become resident aliens or even citizens, but it is up to Congress to determine these rules and not the President by executive action." The Senate is in the process of addressing this issue (Sen. Rubio is about to introduce a bill with both D and R support which is very similar to what the President has ordered). The President does not have the authority to legislate, in effect, new policies contrary to current law.

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Ricky L.

1:32 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Rich, your comment is spot on.

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Anthony Fannelli

8:36 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Obama and Holder have no honor, they have no regard for the oath of office they took to support all the citizens of the USA. Obama will break any laws, create any laws as long as it benefits him and his re election. Why didnt he do this when the dems controlled the house and senate, instead he likes to ABUSE his power, that is what he does next he will pass an Executive Order to make him dictator in charge for LIFE. LOL Not funny

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Rosie

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Yeah!!!! Congress is a Republican Congress and will do everything and anything to go against what Presisent Obama asks for. So....................he has to take the initiative and do it on his own. This children are innocent of any crimes and should be treated as such. NOW, who is going to clean "Gov" Romney's pool if they are all sent home? Oh, Ann has time. She is a stay at home mom with a housekeeper, chef, etc. and a nanny when her kids were growing up. She can do it. Oh!!!!!! but her nails!!!!!! No this would not be a good idea either. Better go back to an illegal cleaning the pool and mowing the lawn.

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Cara DePalma

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

The Dream Act has been stalled in Congress for over a decade. When Congress refuses to take action, our President does, FINALLY! Mr. Obam neither legislated nor used executive order. By the way, Congress has time before their summer vacation (are they in grade school) to tackle it. Who wants to bet they don't.

Dboc

10:47 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Over the last few decades I have seen from state to state immigrants working in the restaurants, diners, hotels, cruise ships, landscaping company doing jobs that Americans here can easily do. It is not hard to see or know WHY these business owners hire them.
I think it is hypocritical to go on a hunt to get these people and deport them, when you can easily see that any chance of you seeing these people picking up welfare checks are next to nil if not already nil.
We waste trillions pretending we care occupying foreign lands to defending and protecting people, I wish we can spend a trickle of those trillions finding means to slow down or stop people from abusing help for people who are not fit or incapable to find work and find ways to get them to work. I don't understand how we can have the intelligence and money to spend to seek out and eliminate Al Queada and can't reach out find means to control the high price for health care and the criminials here who abuse and cheat really sick Americans who can't afford the high prices for their prescriptions. Tell me about it, when I was laid off, I did anything I can to find work, to pay my mortgage, maintenance fees and COBRA that was bankrupting me.
People in this country need to wake up and quit having a short sighted view of things. Stop complaining about QUANTITY government and start looking for QUALITY government, because these two we have now keeps us all running in circles.

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Anthony Fannelli

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

They are here illegally....what is it about illegal that all the liberals dont understand. This President has taken away almost every State right that we have a free people. He wants the Feds to control everything...enough. A better Idea would be for all welfare clients to perform work for they welfare checks and benefits...Have work programs instead of entitlement programs...many people on welfare never worked and many of these illegals are on welfare, they go to our public schools...and WE the Taxpayers pay pay pay.

barbara hamel

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

get real, when is it going to stop,
yes they came here as children,their parents are illegal and they are not born here.
how much more can you bent and twist the law for a vote.
800.000 to compete with our unemployed for jobs we don't have

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Mom Tlm

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

It's almost 2012 version of slavery. . Low paid illegal immigrants so businesses don't have to pay salaries at a rate for what it costs the people who are citizens and are property owners with huge taxes and house payments. We're seeing deflation of salaries/income, but no deflation in pricing at the stores.

Concerned

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

8:36 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
No I disagree. The constitution is a sacred balance of power between the executive, legislature and judicial branches of government. Every President swears an oath to uphold the constitution. Part of the President's responsibilities is to enforce the laws as enacted by the legislature. If a law is unconstitutional it is adjudicated by the supreme court. If a law needs to be changed it is done through an appropriate process. To ignore a law and say this one will not be enforced by the executive branch is an attrocity. To do so to get the support of certain voters is a terrible precedent to our democracy. This decision is reckless. I agree that the immigration laws need reform but this approach is not the way to acheive this reform. Even i did not know how dangerous Obama is, but this shows me a side of his judgement that would undermine the constitution as he has with this political move.

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Jeff Mattingly

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Your poll/servey omitted the most important prospective question that might have garnered the greatest number of votes. "Does President Obama have the authority to circumvent Congressional lawmakers who's job it is under the Constitution to create law?"

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Scf in Piscataway

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Jeff I agree with you. However he consistently ignores the Constitution and circumvents laws in order to further his own agenda and personal ideology, typically to garner votes. Americans feel powerless to do anything about it. Our only last recourse is to get him out of office. I, for one, cannot stomach his arrogance and hubris one more day and am sickened to contemplate another four years of it.

barbara hamel

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

barbara hamel

8:38 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

get real, when is it going to stop,
yes they came here as children,their parents are illegal and they are not born here.
how much more can you bent and twist the law for a vote.
800.000 to compete with our unemployed for jobs we don't have

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Concerned

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

8:36 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
No I disagree. The constitution is a sacred balance of power between the executive, legislature and judicial branches of government. Every President swears an oath to uphold the constitution. Part of the President's responsibilities is to enforce the laws as enacted by the legislature. If a law is unconstitutional it is adjudicated by the supreme court. If a law needs to be changed it is done through an appropriate process. To ignore a law and say this one will not be enforced by the executive branch is an attrocity. To do so to get the support of certain voters is a terrible precedent to our democracy. This decision is reckless. I agree that the immigration laws need reform but this approach is not the way to acheive this reform. Even i did not know how dangerous Obama is, but this shows me a side of his judgement that would undermine the constitution as he has with this political move.

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Cindy Thompson

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

It is not unconstitutional to issue an Executive Order. According to Wikipedia, "U.S. Presidents have issued executive orders since 1789, usually to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. Executive orders have the full force of law,[1] since issuances are typically made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, some of which specifically delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation), or are believed to take authority from a power granted directly to the Executive by the Constitution."

If Congress feels strongly that we as a nation should continue to ignore the needs of young immigrants who came here through no fault of their own, then it should be easy for them to come up with the supermajority required to overturn the order.

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Jeff B

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

"Concerned", so what else is new? We have just learned about a massive leaking of classified information to the press to build up Obama's image, leading then-Defense Secretary Bob Gates going into National Security Adviser Tom Donilon’s office in the wake of leaks about the bin Laden raid and suggesting a new communications strategy: “Shut the f---up.” That has led to a Pakistani doctor getting 33 years in prison and who knows what done or what will be done to others we do not know about because of all of these leaks. (Don't forget "Fast and Furious" where Obama and Holder have so far prevented us from finding how who is responsible for a program that resulted in the killing of a US Border Patrol agent.) Someone who has no respect for the rule of law any will ignore the serious potential impact on the safety/lives of others for personal gain is indeed a danger to everyone.

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Realistic Person

1:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Cindy - well said. One thing it was not actually an "Executive Order", that was incorrectly reported on Friday. It was a "Cabinet Directive", which is different, but inherently accomplishes the same. All I can say is that I'm glad he did it.

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Concerned

2:17 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Cindy,
In Obama's first two years he enjoyed a super majority and did not pass immigration reform which needs to be done. That said of course issuing Executive Orders are not unconstitutional and happens usually in times of emergency and war. To issue an order that says the president will not enforce our laws in order to captire the hispanic vote is unprecedented. He will do just about anything to get re elected. I voted for him last time and i was fooled by his rhetoric and also could never vote for a ticket with Palin as VP. President Obama is reckless.

Ronald Berutti

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Unconstitutional, and blatantly so. With 50% unemployment among black youth and with unemployment and underemployment at about 16%, besides being unconstitutional, the President had now made it even more difficult for our citizens who need work to find it, because of all the new illegal competition. Political pandering at its destructive worst.

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derek

1:32 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

yes, it's the illegal children keeping the rate of black unemployed youth at 50%, yes, you're 100% correct---gimme a break, do you know how ignorant you sound? Out of the 800,000--which jobs in particular are you or you're family members should they be unemployed, willing to take?...grow up; the industries these people work in are NOT jobs most white unemployed americant's are willing to do anyway, so don't stick your foot in your mouth. A President can give amnesty to these people. Right--this country is in such bad shape--paaleeeze...any country that can raise 30 million dollars AN HOUR for lottery tickets is not a country nearly as bad off as the media wants you to believe it is. This is the worst the country has been since the depression? Take a good look...does it really look that way to you?

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Monk

5:00 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Hi, Derek! How are you doing?

Once again, I have to wonder ... on what authority do you base your stance? You responded to a clearly stated comment regarding the unconstitutionality of a president governing by edict, a.k.a. executive order. Does the Constitution mean anything to you? What is the basis/great thinker/school of thought/widely accepted charter behind your opinions?

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john anthony prignano

8:36 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Ronald Great comments ! It is estimated that 10% of New Jersey's private sector workers are illegal aliens . The statement " They work at jobs most Americans won't do " is absolutely false . If that were true , what would New Jersey look like if we deported all illigal aliens ? Every lawn would be six feet high , driveways would be reduced to rubble , every building's gutters would be hopelessly clogged , homes would be flooded out and abandoned because there are no roofing companies , buildings would be left unsided and unpainted for decades with no relief in sight , and thousands and thousands of tons of fruit and vegetables would be rotting in the fields, if there were any American willing to dirty their hands and grow them in the first place. Absurd . Businesses that pay lower and still lower wages and no benefits are never going to admit that it's all about maximizing profits . No , I'm sure many of them would say that years ago they offered Americans $20 an hour and more and benefits and paid holidays and sick days and vacations and a pension to mow lawns or paint houses or waterproof basements , but there were no takers .And when they say that , they are lying. Cheap labor { who are also felons } and maximizing profits are why they do it , period .Again Ronald , great comments .

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FourScore

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

One point you’re missing. If we deport all the illegals, so that business will have to pay more for legal Americans, they are not going to make up the difference by cutting into their profits, they do it by raising their prices. In the end, it will be we the consumers who will get screwed.

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Ricky

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

There's jobs out there. Native young people here just don't want those types of jobs. Those coming from other countries are not spoiled. They take satisfaction in doing those types of jobs that our young people refuse to do.

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Realistic Person

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Derek - well said, and yes they do work and take jobs that most americans believe are beneath them. You tell me why people in the poorer roles won't take jobs that pay $7 or 8 bucks an hour ? (it's because it's not a fast enough buck for them). It's what this country has created in terms of expectations.

John - your comments, specifically about felons, is frankly one of the more racist comments I've seen in a while.

And yes, a majority of illegals that work in the fields, etc will do jobs that Americans won't do - you tell me how you get someone in the inner city, in poverty, to take these type of jobs for $ 7 bucks an hour, the truth is that they won't.

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Mike

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@Ronald: It's a myth that immigrants and migrant workers cost good ol' boys their jobs. In many cases, they do the work 'mericans won't do. Even FOX News [sic] says so: http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/baldwin_county/immigration-law-worries-area-farmers

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Mike

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@Ronald: Take a step back from the unemployment stats for a minute. Talk to people who run restaurants, landscaping, etc. I have. Repeatedly. Ask them why most of their low-wage workers are Latinos. You won't like the answer, but the truth is sometimes painful.

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Realistic Person

1:45 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

# 1, it is NOT unconstitutional so you should do your homework.. # 2, it is a Cabinet Directive, not an executive order. #3, it was the right thing to do and #4, it's not about work, how come these 800,000 are willing to go to school and get educated, because they care. NOW, if you fix the education system so that the poor can actually go to college or obtain needed skills then maybe there's an argument.. but this country refuses to do that, college and university should be a right, NOT a $200,000 cost over 4 years. Fix that first before you through out worthless numbers.

buster brown

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

ON THE DAY OF MY SONS GRADUATION PARTY ALL I CAN SAY IS THANK THE LORD HE DID WELL IN COLLEGE AND GOT A VERY GOOD JOB IN HIS FIELD.SHAME ON PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS SCHEMES ONCE AGAIN HE HAS STUCK HIS FOOT IN HIS BIG MOUTH LIKE SO MANY OTHER TIMES IN THE PAST.THATS 800,OOO MORE AMERICAN JOBS LOST TO AMERICANS NOT COUNTING ALL THESE ILLEGALS WHO WILL HAVE CHILDREN WAKE UP PEOPLE THIS PUPPET OF A PRESIDENT IS DESPARATE AND GRASPING AT STRAWS.YOU HAVE 5 MONTHS TO MAKE YOUR NEXT CHOICE FOR A NEW LEADER I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT AT THIS POINT I WOULD ELECT ALFRED E. NEWMAN! FOR ALL OF YOU REMEMEMBER MAD MAGAZINE.

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Rosie

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

So if your son was not fortunate in getting a job after college, in his field, he would have settled on mowing lawns, etc??? Yeah!!!!! I doubt it very much. He would have stayed at home with good old dad and complained about it.

Dennis DeCarlo

10:48 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012

He puts his party, re-election,and socialist progressive ideology before country .

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Rosie

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

So untrue. What country do you live in or are you even on this Earth? He is doing his best considering that he has to deal with people like you. Probably a Republican who swore that he would not do well and not see a second term. So who suffered with all of this? We all did!!!!! Thanks for your help!!!!!

montclairdad

1:32 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Say what you want about his predecessor - and Lord knows there's plenty to say :) - but I have a difficult time recollecting Dubya using such blatant vote-grabbing maneuvers as Bam has the last couple months. It's politics, so I'm not disillusioned or surprised, but I wonder, though, if he and his handlers have miscalculated? Will the increase in gay and Latino voters for him be enough to offset those who flip sides because of these measures? I'm not talking about NJ - obviously he wins here in a landslide - but nationally. I'd love to seem some accurate polling data regarding that.

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Concerned

1:32 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Here is an exagerrated example that provides insight into why what Obama has done is so dangerous to our democracy. Lets say citizens in a region of the US for cultural or religious or other reason begin to harass and persecute a group of other citizens. This region has the ability to enable a sitting President to stay in office as the regions majority condones the persecutions and their electoral votes will decide the election. The persecuted minority are helpless, unless the department of justice intervenes and prosecutes the perpatrators of these hate crimes. Well the president issues an executive order that the DOJ will not enforce the hate crime laws for whatever reason but surely to get the votes of the majority in that region where the crimes are being committed.
I know this sounds crazy as an exapmle BUTits only meant to demonstrate how dangerous the decision Obama has made to not uphold his oath to enforce the laws of our land. Think please think!

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sp resident

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

You keep being "Concerned", hopefully Romney will be the answer to all your prayers?

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Rosie

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I doubt those prayers will be answered with Gov. Romney. He is going to be another puppet like GWB was thanks to Cheney and his cronies. Good luck to all of you who still cannot say "President Obama" but can say Gov. Romney.

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FourScore

9:09 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Romney has not even committed to overturning this policy if elected. He wants the Hispanic vote as much as Obama does.

Diane Mitchell

2:09 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Yes, he is doing the right thing! The republicans don't want it because they benefit from cheap labor and people not having rights.

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Rosie

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Right on!!!!!! We have all benefited from cheap labor because our American children sometimes refuse to dirty their hands with labors such as mowing lawns, etc. Now, once they are back home, let's see who is going to do this for all of us???? Maybe one of Romney's sons will pitch in!!!!!

Sean Gaynor

8:36 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

This is a disgrace to the Constitution. We need to take a stand! He totally bypassed Constitutional checks and balances

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Robert F. Galgano

8:36 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

It's funny how none of you were worked up about constitutionality and the rule of law circa 2001-2008.

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Monk

9:15 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

To what are you referring?

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Stoneglassguitar

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

bravo!!!!!!!!!!!! how true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rosie

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

OMG!!!! I was thinking the same thing. What about what we did to people with water boarding? Oh, that did not count!!!! I forgot. Most anything was a go under GWB and his cronies!!!! This is something that I, as an American, will ALWAYS be ashamed of. Not in my country!!!!! But it did happen and no one complained about it on the Right. Right????

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Rosie

9:13 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Tom, you actually had to ask what Robert was referring to??? Where have you been living since 2001????? ANd the GWB and Cheney administration?

Curt Carnes

8:36 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

About using executive order to change immigration laws; Obama said:

“…..that for me,(Barack Obama) to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates, ah would ah, not conform with my appropriate role as President”

Here's the Proof -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfZ3kaKZoIw

Another broken promise, and another lie from the lips of Barack Obama!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfZ3kaKZoIw

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20yearmiller

8:35 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

As we walk and ride around MSH and see COUNTLESS landscaping trucks trucks and trailers giving our lawns a fine manicure and in restaurants washing our dishes and cleaning tables quickly so we may be seated, we must realize that many are Latinos, here mostly without green cards or work visas and working their tails off for very little money so their children have opportunities they've never had. HELLO? Our country was built on this concept and I welcome their work ethic and pursuit of the American dream. Many other cultures sit on their fannies and bilk our tax dollars for an easy ride through life. The only requirement I would add would be that they must become American citizens within a specific timeframe even offering dual citizenship. Otherwise all that oppose them can shovel their own dirt and wash their own dishes instead of being spoiled brats with an attitude. God Bless America!!!!

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Margret Brady

8:35 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012

Try to understand the law and the constitution before you take these stands. It appears that when a Republican President violates the constitution its OK because he thought it was neccessary to do that but if a Democratic president does something after giving congress every opportunity to do so and they refused its wrong., even though its legal and appropriate.
During WWII many aliens were mistreated until laws were enacted to stop the abuses.

Many aliens have children who were born here and are legal citizens. Our taxes have paid for their education and our healthy lifestyles gave them bright futures, do you think parents will just take the infant not bron here back to their native lands. What a waste to lose that talent and those tax dollars because we.ve become so narrow minded. You forget that the vast majority of illegal aliens work and pay taxes but because they are not citizens, will not collect the benefits or social security for the taxes they have been paying.
Why not fine and deport those natural born citizens, who hire, exploit and take advantage of workers, who have no power or understanding of their rights.

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Lurky Loo

1:30 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

What a waste to lose the talent that lives and breathes right here in the USA. Charity starts at home. Why should we give up jobs and get passed over for a free education for people who couldn't be bothered coming in the legal way but the first one with their hands out looking for freebies that again don't go to worthy people who are here naturally and legally. Can we fine and deport the ones who exploit OUR system by coming here and popping out a kid to gain a foot hold? Not have social security?? Really? Most illegal steal social security numbers to get jobs! They don't deserve those benefits as they get everything else like health care and hospital visits so they can keep popping out those babies. Have you ever given any thought as to why hospitals are closing??? They CANNOT afford the freebies any longer. My Grandparents and Great Grandparents were immigrants who came here the right way, learned English and worked hard to become proud legal US Citizens and not live and take advantage of the system that could be used to take care of our own disenfranchised.

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Realistic Person

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Margret - thank you, a voice of reason amongst this...

I wish people would wake up and understand what's truly the problem in the U.S. vs blaming immigrants for our issues.

THE MAJOR ISSUE in this county is how broken our education system is, in which very few can afford to go to college or trade schools. The embarrassment and stupidity of college costing $200,000 for undergraduate degrees will continue to beat us down and put us in 2nd tier by 2030.

EVERYONE should have the ability to go to college or university at virtually no cost (like the German and UK systems - btw, in those systems politics also work as elections are completely federally funded, which they should also be).

FIX THAT and we wouldn't be having these arguments !!

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Concerned

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

It is never okay when a president violates his or her oath of office and violates the constitution. Not a republican nor a democrat. Never.

Steve Sternberg

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I think a lot of folks are missing some points. First, this was not an executive order. Nothing is being done to make the illegals legal. Obama simply instructed his people not to prosecute certain people. It's kind of like if the Hoboken police chief told the cops to spend resources going after real criminals and don't give tickets to double parked cars anymore. It would't make it legal to double park. While Obama clearly did this for political reasons, I don't think it violated the Constitution since he is not changing anything in the actual law. Real problem is making this a 2-year plan. What happens when people register for work permits and then either in 2012 or 2016 a Republican wins? Then this deal goes away and the government has the names and addresses of all these illegal aliens. It's a scam, and until something is done on a permanent basis, an illegal alien would have to be crazy for registering. I'm surprised press isn't highlighting this.

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LD

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Obama continues to circumvent Congress to implement a socialized agenda that he and his radical advisers have force fed the public since his first day in office.

@Curt Carnes, thank you, that you tube video is perfect.

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Eric

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I guess it's ok for their parents to cut your lawn and pick your vegetables, but God forbid if their kids grow up and want to be legal citizens. I wonder how many of you would judge so harshly if their parents hailed from Belfast or Bari instead of Oaxaca.

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n

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I am not defending this guy, who is doing his best to not be re-elected, but he isn't writing any new laws. All he has done is to order his INS agents, not to enforce the law by not doing any deportations of the illegals.

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john anthony prignano

1:30 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

The common belief is that illigal aliens make up a huge percentage of the prison population . Another common belief is that many people illegally crossing the border from Mexico have criminal records in their native land . A College Professor who is an advocate for total amnesty for illegal aliens wrote a book which debunks these two beliefs .Neither is true. And, a large percentage of illegal aliens are gainfully employed . But I think another expert on illegal immigration got it right when he said ; "It doen't matter how many , illegal aliens are incarcerated . It doen't matter how many illegal aliens have criminal records in their homeland. And it doesn't matter how many are gainfully employed in the United States . The only thing that matters is The Rule of Law. They are here illegally . They are felons, and should be deported. " As for the College Professor who advocates for full amnesty, what are the odds of an illegal alien, even one given amnesty, taking her job ?

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Kevin Nedd

1:30 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Was this a political move? Hell yes it was! The Latino vote will be critical in the fall and this action creates a clear distinction from Romney and the GOP. It is a nail in the coffin for the Romney.

On principal was it the right thing to do? Yes. Congress had no intention of doing anything to address the issue.

Is it legal? Yes. Look up prosecutorial discretion.

Did it piss off conservatives? Absolutely! Enough said.

Next question please?

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Ricky

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

These young people take the jobs that nobody's willing to do. They are not spoiled like many who grew up in this country. If they have no criminal background, they deserve to be given a chance here.

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john anthony prignano

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

" These young people take the job's that no one's willing to do " If that's true, then imagine New Jersey without them ; Lawns six feet high , buildings never painted or sided, building gutters hopelessly clogged, houses flooded and abandoned because there are no roofing or waterproofing companies, driveways and parking lots reduced to rubble , thousands of tons of fresh fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields , mass starvation etc. I've worked minumum wage jobs, I've unloaded and loaded trucks, I've mowed lawns and trimmed hedges ,and I put in 10 hours and more a day for years in my own business.But I reject the Gertrude Stein School of Economics mantra; " A job is a job is a job " . Dramatically slashing wages and reducing benefits is a huge step backwards for one group,while those same wages and benefits are a huge step forward for another group . Lower wages and maximizing profits is what this is all about .

Stoneglassguitar

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

The following applies......To be eligible - they must have come to the United States under the age of 16 and lived in the US for at least five years. They must be in school, have graduated from high school, or have been honorably discharged from the US military. In addition, those applying must not have been convicted of any felony or significant misdemeanors.....I think it is great idea from President Obama...

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larry cary

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Anything that legalizes the millions of undocumented workers we have in this country is a good thing. Like slavery, we cannot live in a just society with a workforce divided between free and un-free labor. These people work and we all know it, but they are exploited beyond belief.

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qftl60

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Everyone has a valid point - but I feel our President, whether dem or rep should not be allowed to abuse the authority given to him in our Constitution - that being said, the bottom line is that Americans want cheap; from the neediest to the wealthiest, no one wants to pay top dollar for any service; most are opposed to working for the minimal salaries offered these people and big business as well as small take advantage of this; keep payroll down, buy cheap products, "lower" the cost to consumers = big payoff for CEO's - wise up we are all guilty of this we have been lulled into this mindset ergo we have Walmarts, etc.; we as Americans need to take a stand, hard to do in this economy, buy American, start small by buying local or American grown produce; etc.; demand our national language American/english; signs in our native language; immigration is a wonderful thing most of us are here because our ancestors immigrated but they were required to conform to our language and our laws had to be upheld what happened?

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Bob Dudek

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

This is his vision of the USA. The constitutional process be dammed .. And has dared you and your fellow citizens.. to challenge him in November

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sp resident

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Don't blame the illegal people,blame the entire administration from Bush to Obama. For those who want all the illegals to be deported , it's never going to happen. The laws allow them to go to school, get medical treatment etc,and most of the local construction,landscaping businesses hire them. No one wants to do anything Republican and Democrat because they all want the votes. So people, don't hate on the illegal people, it's your great leaders who is robbing you of your great life!

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Mike

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

@sp resident: Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was illegal to hire undocumented people. I *knew* those I-9 forms were silly!

Rev. Susan Gillespie

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Please calm down and get the facts. He didn't write a law. The Justice Department has prosecutorial discretion (just like when a cop gives you a warning instead of a ticket!). The administration made a POLICY decision not to spend their resources on these kids who had no say in their status. He didn't give them anyone's job - now they have the right to apply for a work permit. So, these are kids we've paid to educate, who want to work legally - usually, people applaud that kind of thing. How ridiculous for people to argue that they should be "returned" to countries they've never lived in! Why do we ask them to pay the price of the failure of MANY prior administrations? Why should we ask them to pay the price of the failures of whatever country their parents fled? Why don't we celebrate the gifts they're bringing our society? If you read the policy, you'll discover we're not talking about criminals (they are specifically excluded) or deadbeats (they need to be in school, a graduate, or have served in the military). These are the folks we should WANT to keep.

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Dan Grant

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

A some point the Constituionalists have to realize that while the founders were smart they were not perfect. That is why there are amendments. The SCOTUS is not perfect. That is there was a law that said some people were acually 4/5 of a human. The Congress is far from perfect. It has stopped working entirely. The President did the right thing to bring justice and end fear for these children.

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Pops Ferguson

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

This is another outrageous, illegal (by his own admission) act by this shameful excuse for a POTUS. He should be behind bars for numerous violation of his oath to uphold the constitution.

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Ethel Weiss

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Nice way to repay your unemployed supporters - by adding more foreign workers. This guy is the worst and most cynical POTUS in our history - topping the confused and hapless Jimmy Carter by a wide margin.

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Mike

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

First item: It's a myth that immigrants and migrant workers cost good ol' boys their jobs. In many cases, they do the work 'mericans won't do. Even FOX News [sic] says so: http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/baldwin_county/immigration-law-worries-area-farmers

Second item: Where were all the people whining about executive power when George W Bush was signing his 288 executive orders? Can't have it both ways, wingers.

Third item: At least at the Mexican border, net immigration is about zero. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2012/0408/Home-again-in-Mexico-Illegal-immigration-hits-net-zero
I think it's a safe assumption this is not an isolated case.

Fourth item: It's a stop-gap measure to keep people brought here as children here. No path to citizenship. Congress isn't doing their job.

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Ricky

1:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

"" It's a myth that immigrants and migrant workers cost good ol' boys their jobs. In many cases, they do the work 'mericans won't do""" Exactly! I agree. If they don't have a criminal record and go the route of applying for cards/soc.sec.#'s then they are not hurting anyone.

chatham98

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

What sort of condescending comment is this? What is your point? It's ok for Obama to continue his acts of constitutional destruction - and by the way - do it with the intent to deceive and gain votes? Surely you do not believe this amateur is doing it from his heart? You also sound like you believe it is ok to do whatever it takes to get what you want - which is exactly why this country is on the road to ruin right now! I will agree with you about congress - democrat or republican - they all seem to be a waste of oxygen.

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Mike

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Where were all the people whining about executive power when George W Bush was signing *his* 288 executive orders? Or putting two wars on off-budget credit cards? Can't have it both ways, wingers.

BandannaMan

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

This poll is intentionally divisive and is a very poor attempt at coddling favor. What our president did is arrogant and childish. He should be demonstrating how democracy works,not going around it. Shame on him.

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Realistic Person

1:43 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Funny.. is your bandanna a confederate flag ? what he did is needed. When you go through 3 1/2 years of a completely obstructionist congress in which the Republican party simply does nothing to help this country (not to mention the obvious racism from the republican side), you need to take a step forward for what is right - what he did on Friday was a fantastic step in the right direction and the proper thing to do.

V

1:31 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

The leftards are out in force screeching again about Evil Boooosh. Naturally, they provide no examples of his unconstitutional actions - because there were none, of course. He wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but he respected the rule of law. As pointless as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were, Congress voted for them - unlike "kinetic military action" in Syria, by the way. What is killing a few thousand people if a Democrat does it?

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FourScore

8:27 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

I take it you never read the Patriot Act... that's your biggest example right there.

Cj

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I voted for this man and I truly hope this Executive order does him in. I was so disgusted listening to this on Friday. I firmly believe that is why us over 50 people must die. We cant stand how our country is changing so we have to die to let the younger people put up with this. WE have enough problems right now in this country. Unemployment is still way to high. Allowing almost 1 million more that are not even legal citizens is only a Obama' way for the hispanic vote, all political. I hope everyone sees this and does not vote for him.

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Freedomlovin' Merican

2:17 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Speak for yourself. I'm 53 and love how our country is changing. But then I'm not an old white man. Sorry, your time is over, it's time for the rest of us.

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Robert F. Galgano

10:06 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I'm 48 and I have no problem with what Obama did. White people are scared as the country gets browner.

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Kevin Nedd

10:06 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I am over 50 and support the President.

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S.G.

11:15 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Heck, I'm over 60, was not "disgusted listening to this". Furthermore, you are not speaking for me when you say " We cant stand how our country is changing."

I am more involved now with civic activities than I ever was when I was younger. One of the main problems I see now involves those involved in politics who don't understand that compromise is part of democracy...part of life; the citizens who believe that it's "my way or the highway."

Princess Valiant

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I worry about the property tax i pay. I worry about paying for college for my children. I worry about finding work, putting food on the table, healthcare...
Now, an illegal immigrant will be the beneficiary of my family's many years of hard work and faithful diligence to our state and our country, all legally! What sounds right about this???

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Jim Dunleavy

1:28 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I love it when people take positions that, in the name of "small government" or "the constitution" show little compassion towards those who are out of work or cannot get another job, but then use those very pople who are out of work that cannot get a job as their way of justifying throwing out other individuals who, through no choice of their own, were brought here by their parents. Did anyone consider - or care- that these individuals know no other place and to deport them which basically sends them to a country they know nothing about? For all those strict Constitutionalists, especially those who never read it, or the Bill of rights for that matter, at least be consistent with your arguments and read a bit more history and the stories behind the laws of this great land. There is a reason they come here and we do not go elsewhere. Lets cherish what we have and give those who are here a way to do stay legally and to contribute to our society. One built for all. Lets stop the Us v them talk.

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Realistic Person

1:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Mr. Dunleavy - Bravo and Well Said - thank you. So much of what is occurring based on racism, that's it terrible to hear. Not to mention the additional attacks from the right against women's right and the planned and targeted disenfranchising of voters in these communities (for example, Florida). Thank you for your well thought out comments and here's hoping that society will continue to grow.

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Freedomlovin' Merican

2:17 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Yes, well said. Too bad your compassionate comment will be lost in the screed posted by so many who do not understand exactly what the President proposed, and sadly, don't want to.

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Concerned

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

The issue is not immigration, a majority of Americans want reforms in this area. The issue is how this President is over reaching and using his powers to gain votes. The first two years he has a super democtratic majority. He did squat on this important issue. Shameful.

Ricky

1:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

These young people from abroad do the jobs that our native born young people (who didn't further their education) refuse to do. And they do it with a great work ethic that's lacking among our native young people. All this talk about immigrants taking away jobs from Americans is not what it's cracked up to be.

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Steve Sternberg

2:17 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I believe the is the first time a sitting president has instructed his people to not enforce a law. Regardless of where one stands on whether children who grew up here deserve he right to stay (and I believe they do), that is scary. A president is not above the law.

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Monk

8:52 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Obama also instructed the DOJ not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in court, in February 2011.

Jeff B

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Obama not only does not have the constitutional authority to direct that an existing law with respect to a large group of people not be enforced, he took an oath of office that he would uphold the laws of the United States, not just some of them. We have existing laws on the books to deal with this immigration issue. In fact, Obama addressed the issue of his constitutional authority quite plainly last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfZ3kaKZoIw

While I personally believe that what he did deserves to be legislated, only dictators make the laws for all the people. A man who has no moral compass and will do anything to get re-elected is not fit to be President of the United States.

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baileybrowerjr

2:42 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Here is how the system is twisted to favor those who believe Illegal aliens should have the rights of U.S. citizens.

Leading Universities, Princeton being one, accepts illegal aliens as undergraduates while rejecting fully qualified Princeton Legacies and U.S. student applicants. All done in the guise of "fairness".

What a travesty as well as an indication that our leading Universities apprently see no reason to uphold U.S. laws.

This goes on with most alumni being kept in the dark while they and their children are being discriminated against for being U.S. citizens!!

We are supposed to be a nation of laws...let's begin by telling those who run our Universities and Colleges that they have the reposnsibility to act accordingly.
Obama did this "amnesty" for one reason-=--to garner votes.

Bailey Brower, Jr. Princeton Alumnus

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Dan Grant

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

By Legacy admission you mean that because Daddy went there then Junior gets special treatment over other qualified students? So your real objection is that your special treatment is at risk? Boo hoo.

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Curt Carnes

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Square on baileybrowerjr, Major Universities are in La La land, with tons of professors who can't tie their shoes, change a flat tire, but who are making $175,000 a year to teach a course a week! Now don't go getting me wrong, there are some really good professors out their too!

But look what the State University (Rutgers) did. They moved their Honors college to Camden, their law school to Newark, while all the time spending millions of dollars building a football stadium in New Brunswick. Go Figure!

To be perfectly honest here, I've put three of my children through college. If I had a forth, knowing what I know now, and considering the expense and poor job market for college grads, I'd send my 4th to HVAC or Electric Trade School!

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LoveChatham

9:09 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Aren't universities strongest when they accept the best applicants? Why would you propose that Princeton favor lesser qualified applicants?

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Joe

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

There are no illegal immigrants attending Princeton. They are given student visa directly from their country. I doubt that you are a Princeton Alumnus. Affirmative action is not granted to overseas students. They are among the brightest who get their Phd in Engineering, sciences, and computer. Most Americans find these to be too difficult so they apt for teaching, liberal arts, history and religious studies, just to say that they are an IVY grad.

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S.G.

11:16 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Mr. Brower, please provide more information regarding Princeton's acceptance of illegal aliens. As for "legacies"...this is America and applicants should be judged on their own merits.

Your negative claims about Princeton's undergrads reminded me of an unsuccessful 1970s group that tried to keep women and minorities out of Princeton - Concerned Alumni of Princeton.

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Rich

12:54 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Bailey is actually a Republican Township Committee Member in Chatham. He just recently pushed through his own illegal alien amnesty ordinance in Chatham. Why do you ask does support amnesty for illegal aliens? Well to garner votes just like this hypocrit is accusing the President of. See more of the story at www.savegreenvillage.com

Bob Dudek

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Welcome President elect Mitt Romney

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Realistic Person

10:06 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

If that happens heaven help us all, as this country will fall off the cliff faster than you can pull your car out of the drive way. And I, for one, would think of leaving.

Curt Carnes

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Liberal Democrats already lining up for this weeks mid week scorcher When the temperature hits 104 on Thursday, I'm sure they will all say -- "Its Bush's Fault"

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S.G.

11:53 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Mr. Carnes, you have posted under an incorrect article. I.m not sure where you meant this comment to appear.

Al

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Possibly a good idea, wrong way to go about it.
First of all they should be required to stop speaking Spanish in public. This is getting mad. I can't even go to a store anymore and hear English on the PA system. We can't have any good radio stations in this area because there are so many in Spanish, so us Americans can't hear country music.
What bothers me is news reports that the government will also not deport their parents. The parents are criminals and should be deported.

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Mike

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

Don't forget about all the illegal aliens willing to risk jail or deportation in order to vote illegally. There's nothing an illegal likes more than attention and having his background checked.

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cat

9:11 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012

I'd like 2 say i voted 4 president obama & will again. However, as an unemployed american willing 2 take ANY job (but get passed over 4 illigals) his decision really pisses me off. I have applied 4 stocking shelves, dish washing, etc. I never get the call. Sure enough when i go back i see an illigal with that same job. As an american, it really angers me. I have children 2 support & bills 2 pay. When my house goes into foreclosure it will be bought by an illigal who has more rights than i do. I think we need 2 deport any person in this country illigally reguardless of where they are from. I live in a town with A LOT of them & all you have 2 do is go through the schools to find them. I know illigals who make 3000 a month TAX FREE!! Where is My american dream?!

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Michele

3:47 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Well I have to say that anyone who is in your predicament and then votes for Obama again is asking to remain unemployed. He has NO business sense at all. If you want this economy to start moving vote for anyone BUT Obama.

Thomas Economides

8:27 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

def a political move...first he goes after bin laden, then legalizing gay marriage now this. he is trying to get more votes, thomas economides brooklyn, ny

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Art Elmers

8:27 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

An old engineering professor of mine once commented on a "shortage" of Engineers in the late 70s. He said "there is no shortage of Engineers, just low priced Engineers".
I have always remembered that and believe that supply and demand plays a large part in wages paid. I don't believe the premise that illegal Aliens only take jobs unwanted by our citizens.
Under normal circumstances wages should rise until enough people take the positions and the demand is met.
I think the problem boils down to two things. Cheap Labor and Cheap Votes.
And since each party wants one or the other the American People will be the ones paying the price.

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Mike

11:16 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

"Under normal circumstances." Yes, like in a simulation. Or a laboratory. Not in reality.

"Undocumented Workers Have 'Negligible Impact' On Wages: Study"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/undocumented-workers-illegal-immigrants-negligible-impact-wages_n_1420375.html

One needs to remember it's far cheaper to squeeze more out of existing employees (especially ones not paid overtime, who are willing to produce more and more to keep their jobs but without additional compensation) than it is to hire new, even at depressed rates. Of course, this has limits, but it's working.

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Joe

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

When I came to this country I work minimum wages until I got a degree. There is no cheap labour after the greencard.

Bob Dudek

8:27 am on Monday, June 18, 2012

.."There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President." - President Obama, May 2011

Obama is turning out to be the most subversive chief executive in terms of eroding U.S. law since Richard Nixon.

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Mike

11:15 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

W's executive orders aren't a problem for the Right, and critics warned it would set precedent. Well, that sounds you hear is the chickens coming home to roost, and Obama's EOs don't come close to what W did.

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Mike

11:15 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

And this was NOT an Executive Order, by the way.

Jeff Mattingly

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

During the 35 years I have worked in the greater NY area constuction market I have watched as industry and service businesses alike be infiltrated and slowly taken over by illegal labor. As a custom cabinetmaker I have watched housekeepers, in home childcare/domestics, tradesmen of every type slowly be forced to employ these practices in order to be able to win a bid. If your competition is able to under-cut your price by 20-25% your sunk. And so is the road these many industries have gone. These were not jobs that americans would not do, these were jobs that no longer paid enough to support their middle class lives. This also drives wages away from taxation and into a cash economy that further burdons their survival as their taxes rise to supply services to people who do not contribute. Children, an average of 15K a head in northern NJ to educate annually. Healthcare, hospitals have and are closing and going private all the time due to indigent care to the point where we can no longer handle a flu let alone any homeland security issue. I have seen many long standing businesses, suppliers, trades and services close and fire their remaining employees due to CONGRESSIONAL INACTION. I do not blame the illegals for wanting to provide for themselves and thier families, it is the fault of Democrates and Republicans. They have left the board open for 40 years for their own selfish reasons and are responsible for where we are now and they alone hold the power to change it.

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Mike

11:15 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

I do not (cannot, actually) disagree with your observation. I would like to know what happens when these employers are audited and it's discovered they hire illegals. Do they just pay a fine? Are they shut down? I'm guessing if a business owner pays someone $8/hr (or less) cash and no benefits, one must be making a ton of profit.

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Jeff Mattingly

11:53 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Mike, the vast majority of business audits are done by the state sales and use and do not uncover the fraud. If the office of the controler does audit you, who look for mis-classified or illegal employees, they call first to set up the appointment and my guess is that the illegals are not in attendance that day. Work sites are the best place to catch these types of activities but are so rarely done that you have to wonder??? So you ask yourself, how much does the state want to expose the illegal activity? How closely have they followed the trend, do they care at all? Do they only use the law for reprisals? The ultimate effect though is poorer quality and less accountability as contractors and service providers live closer and closer to the edge with less and less security. It has driven good contractors out of business who no long recognize the market place they once made their living in.

Doris Laws

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

No matter what the POTUS does; it's not good enough. It's the same as always; he's not good enough. NO MATTER WHAT! He could discover a cure for cancer; still no good. How sad.

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Joe

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Dont worry WO is taking them in by the boat load. Have you noticed how dirty how street is becoming? Yes they cut your lawn, and do your roof for almost nothing, but they cost us more as taxpayers. Secondly, what do they do with the money anyway, drinl and play music from Thursday night until Monday morning. I never voted for anyone but democrats, but that is all over. Obama does not believe in working hard, so he will do anything for a vote.

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Mike

11:15 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

At least they spend their money and keep the economy afloat; the rich take their tax breaks and put the money in anonymous, overseas accounts.

BiggDogg

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

I'm going to guess the %30 that voted FOR this are illegals.

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Robert F. Galgano

4:54 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/06/new_jerseyans_largely_approve.html

"New Jerseyans largely approve of law granting residency to young illegal immigrants, poll shows"

Hate to burst your bubble. (Actually, I don't.)

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Monk

7:40 am on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

A public opinion poll is your authority? This is the problem with society. It has been so dumbed down that the advances in thought made by great minds through the ages have been abandoned for the thoughts of celebrities and politicians and the dupes who follow them.

Carlos Slim has a job for you

11:15 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

Too bad presidents cannot be fired, this a**hole needs to be gone yesterday. I am in the construction business and tired of unskilled, unlicensed, uninsured, non tax-paying illegals destroying the business. This is the reality of things. Enough of this b.s about jobs Americans won't do, that's a load of crap perpetrated by idiots pandering to a voting block that should not be voting (illegal aliens). Everybody needs to go back to Mexico, Guatamala, Argentina and every other third world country and remain there PERIOD, and if you can't find your way back, than the U.S. government should be happy to assist you with directions.

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S.G.

3:47 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Interesting that you have specified only certain countries whose immigrants you object to.

Also, when you workers on construction sites, how can you tell that they are "unskilled, unlicensed, uninsured, non tax-paying illegals"?

hrhppg

3:47 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Anyone who isn't 100% Native American is here illegally, so I expect some of the posters above to start packing.

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Art Elmers

3:47 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Mike,
Interesting report. However, I disagree with the analysis. The report argues that because there is only .15% or $56 dollar difference between yearly wages paid at a company that uses both legal and illegal labor vs wages at companies that only use legal labor, this indicates that Illegal Aliens have no effect on average wages.
I argue that the labor pool (supply) is greater than the number of available jobs (demand), and that this keeps wages low. That it does not matter if you work for a company that only employs legal labor. It only shows that those companies must also keep their labor costs down in order to compete.
Keep in mind that this report came from the Department of Labor. The same folks that keep telling us that even thought fewer people are employed now than in 2007 the unemployment rate keeps dropping. Got agenda?

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Art Elmers

3:47 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Mike,
Sorry for my Error, Upon review the report was put together by The federal Reserve in Atlanta. Another Federal Agency with an agenda.

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Art Elmers

5:25 pm on Tuesday, June 19, 2012

They must be those with jobs.

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